About the Perfect Chaos Podcast
This podcast is focused on bringing you hot topics in education, from a different point of view. Ronda and David try to hit the high points, and some of the low ones. So, whether you ‘re a student, teacher, parent, or simply curious about the fascinating world of education, buckle up and prepare to embark on this extraordinary journey with us.

Episode 47 – Talking about hard things with students – Perfect Chaos

I cannot begin to express the positive impact this podcast has had on me. It has empowered me to step out of my comfort zone, pursue my dreams, and cultivate a mindset of growth and resilience. Through the stories shared on the show, I’ve learned that failure is not the end but rather a stepping stone to success.
— Sylvia Burroughs
I would encourage everyone in my network to have a listen…you don’t necessarily have to be in education to follow the discussion.
Their modeling concept and talk can be applied to every industry and even in your personal life.
— Mike Chanat